Oh I know, and the show goes on and on and they blindly follow. I have a lot of these gullibles around me too, thankfully not too close...lol. They just don't have the first clue about who God is, what His character actually is, and what His ways truly are! They condone genocide of innocents in the name of 'the Bible' when they can't even decipher what it says without one of these deceivers telling them lies and twisting the Bible to no end. One more point from yesterday is that... to begin with why would Christians even worry about what someone else's religious book says, including the nohide laws? It's totally irrelevant! We don't go by other religions and their texts, we go by the Bible; the Word of God! If someone else doesn't like it, then that's okay! I am not losing any sleep over it! Lol We are not worried about pleasing anyone else, gaining their approval, making them happy, or anything like that. We don't need their 'permission' to do what God told us to do in the Bible. I recall a few years ago hearing about the global tyranny coming with that stuff and people being complicit about it! I was saying no, we are sovereign as a nation and have our own laws and so on, we are not under them or any other entity (at least so it should be), so why worry about what 'they' want or think? They were totally sleep walking into it. It's like 'who died and put you in charge of global tyranny?' No one questioned it, just blindly assumed and accepted it, took it for granted like a 'good goy,' which is scary. I know they will persecute us but the point is you need to know your rights, stand up for them, resist, and be willing to perish for the Lord if need be. So many are clueless about even that stuff. To top it off, I am a sovereign person under no one but the Lord, so good luck trying to get me to comply. I didn't in 2020, and I won't in 2030 either! I am looking forward to the rest of that Richardson series too, that will be exciting.
Well most of them do not even believe there is a genocide. My former church, and still my spouses current church, believes what the Israel government states about that. Even a current member gave my spouse a magazine article denying it, to give to me.
Amen, this is exactly the type of individuals to whom Christ was referring in Matthew 7:21-23. Head knowledge, no heart change. "Having a form of godliness but denying its power".
The mental gymnastics American "Christian" Zionists are engaging in is so absurd and incoherent. I've started to conclude this is some kind of occult spell.
My daughter and my sister agree with me in many things, but they have the idea that I need to stop saying things about Israel. My daughter believes that I should repent of my "feelings." They say we worship the same god. Not true. I'm working on a mini-paper showing who these Babylonian pharisaical descendants worship. The Big Thing is that they have rejected the SON.
I guess it's rhetorical, but the obvious answer to "Why Are American Zionist Christians Lined Up to Claim Land Stripped from Palestinian Children?" is simply: "Because we're The Real Jews,™ and it was promised to US, not to those evil White European Khazar imposters, 3,000 years ago, goys!"
Yes, that is why Jacob received in the first place is it not? He received it because he earned it not just because Esau forfeited this but also because Jacob had to earn it through redemption. The bible tells us again and again that any of this can change if you continue to do evil regardless of any promise to someone from your lineal heritage, period. It is not that you get to claim this heritage and do all kinds of evil systematically starving and killing women, children and the elderly, robbing and stealing, desecrating and destroying property and ancient relics, bulldozing over people and their family legacy and expecting to receive the blessings promised ages ago to a generation who might have reconciled and earned this heritage. The ongoing atrocity is so devastating to so many, and now they are damaging us all spiritually and psychologically who are everyday witnessing all of this and feeling helpless to do anything about it. This is in so many ways causing lasting damage to us all that can only be reconciled by repentance and redemption. What makes them so arrogant that they do not see? Why do they not learn the lesson of the first born? This alone denies them what they claim is owed to them through Jacob that they themselves did not earn but feel is owed to them.
How is wrestling with a fallen angel "earning" it? Gaining something through physical violence is not redemption. Jacob "earned" everything through coercion, violence and theft. His name being changed to Israel was the fallen angel rewarding him. His reward became a curse though since it was used to incite vengeance.
I do not claim to be an expert on that matter, but you are incorrectly summarizing his whole journey toward redemption to one incident when he was already heading toward this path by being obedient. You are falsely saying Jacob wrestled with a fallen angel when the passage speaks quite the opposite, where and in what version does that passage say anything about him wrestling with a fallen angel? In both Genesis 28 and Genesis 32, it is very clear he was walking on a path to redemption where first he is blessed by his father Isaac, and he obeys his mother and father. At which point, he takes the journey, and sees the ladder in a dream along the way with angels ascending and descending from it, not fallen angels.
The beginning of the passage in Genesis 32 also shows quite clearly he was in the presence of God.
Genesis 32 New King James Version
Esau Comes to Meet Jacob
1. So Jacob went on his way, and the angels of God met him. 2 When Jacob saw them, he said, “This is God’s camp.” And he called the name of that place [a]Mahanaim.
24 Then Jacob was left alone; and a Man wrestled with him until the [g]breaking of day. 25 Now when He saw that He did not prevail against him, He [h]touched the socket of his hip; and the socket of Jacob’s hip was out of joint as He wrestled with him. 26 And He said, “Let Me go, for the day breaks.”
But he said, “I will not let You go unless You bless me!”
27 So He said to him, “What is your name?”
He said, “Jacob.”
28 And He said, “Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but [i]Israel; for you have struggled with God and with men, and have prevailed.”
29 Then Jacob asked, saying, “Tell me Your name, I pray.”
And He said, “Why is it that you ask about My name?” And He blessed him there.
30 So Jacob called the name of the place [j]Peniel: “For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.”
Genesis 32 King James Version
1. And Jacob went on his way, and the angels of God met him.
2 And when Jacob saw them, he said, This is God's host: and he called the name of that place Mahanaim.
24 And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.
25 And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him.
26 And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.
27 And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.
28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
29 And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.
30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
I was also referencing the biblical curse of the first born as being at the heart of what we are dealing with concerning the nation state of Israel who believes on the whole that they are entitled to this inheritance that was only earned by obedience, and thereafter this is something that must be earned in the present through repentance and redemption. With Jesus, we receive the spirit guide, but it is the same kind of redemption as if one is a first born who has been given over to God that is why Christians are by many considered to be spiritual Israel. I was not referring at all to how Jacob finally arrived at redemption, only that he was in fact a changed man and thus received a new name and a new life.
It is called redemption for a reason. You cannot blame the person who became Israel for what the nation state of Israel is now doing. They do not understand and maybe it is because they are supposed to suffer by seeing spiritual Israel receive what they believe they are entitled to but did not earn and had to take it by force. That was my point, that they have not learned the curse of the first born. They refer to it by bringing up Amalek and Cain, etc. but they fail to understand that Jesus was the first born of all creation like Adam but instead of death he brings life.
"With the advent of Jesus, this paradox of the firstborn deepens and transforms. The New Testament describes Christ as the “firstborn of all creation” (Colossians 1:15), the “firstborn from the dead” (Revelation 1:5), and the “firstborn among many brethren” (Romans 8:29). Here, the title of firstborn is not merely chronological—it is ontological. Christ takes on the weight of being first, not in pride, but through humility and sacrificial obedience" (https://pavelivanchuk.substack.com/p/the-curse-and-blessing-of-the-firstborn),
Jacob was not a changed man. That's Jewish propaganda. Wrestling with someone whether its a man or an angel and then bullying them refusing to let go unless they give you a blessing is not evidence of a righteous person. It's evidence of someone who bullies people into getting what they want. Christian nationalists and Zionists have adopted the same theology of bullying people to get what they want and calling it redemption. What it really is is an entitlement complex. Obedience to other people doesn't make you righteous either. None of that has anything to do with what Jesus called doing the will of the father and he wasn't talking about your biological father or priests or rabbis who call themselves father. Those who don't love their neighbors are not doing the will of the father. Not everything in the Bible means what you think it means. The Bible may call an angel an angel of God but its not telling you which God. The Gods the Hebrews believed in are not the unseen God that Jesus says is his father. Jacob claimed he saw God face to face so it obviously can't be the unseen God that Jesus says is his father. Jacob likely saw a beast like a lion or dragon and believed it was God. Whoever claims they've seen God in the flesh has been deceived or is lying because God has no flesh. To seek God in the flesh is a rejection of God in the spirit.
Re: "it is very clear he was walking on a path to redemption where first he is blessed by his father Isaac, and he obeys his mother and father." oh shit - you weren't kidding after all. The only reason Jacob the Deceiver was blessed by Isaac was that he pretended to be Esau.
I hope you were being ironically sarcastic about Jacob "earning" the kingship by way of anything but deceit to defraud Esau and their blind old father, Isaac.
I do realize that he was a deceiver and continued to deceive, but as he made his journey, did he not come back a changed man? Did he not understand what had just occurred? It is a perplexing story and one where I understand it is difficult to have any sympathy for him, but I try to look at this as someone who felt much like Cain did that he could not live up to his brother that men may be driven to do things and sometimes when they are given over to God that person can seek and find redemption. It is a lesson we receive throughout scripture in different ways, and the point I was making is not about the heritage or his poor character but his redemption that he finally came to understand it, and was by the end a changed person.
If we are talking about the nation of Israel being the first born and needing to learn this lesson, it is to me a path to redemption that would help us all if they were to see and understand this. That is what I was trying to say. We are in a very dangerous time, and we must find a path forward that does not involve destroying all the people of Palestine in order for Israel to receive its inheritance. If we continue on this path, we may end up with a first born more like Cain than merely a deceiver like Jacob. I would like to see the people of Israel coming to know Jesus because the development of the Noahide Laws intends for bloodshed. I do not see the point of your attack. Especially given the fact that another person alleged in reply to me that he was wrestling with a fallen angel when it was very clear that we could look at this from a number of different angles, yes he deceived, but he obeyed his parents, he was trying to find a path to redemption. If we could look a bit deeper, we might see that his parents knew it was not Esau and wanted to help him on his path to redemption.
It is a story that I feel is not unlike the Prodigal son. He was someone the father hoped that he would learn a lesson and come back to him a better person for it. That is all I was saying within the context of Israel the nation who many of us would like to see them to know and love Jesus that is all.
Everything in their Bible is SIMPLY literally and specifically backwards - and is meant to be read that way by jews, and read as-is by goyim who steal copies.
Cain was the good guy, which is why they called him the bad guy. Jacob and Judah were bad guys, which is why they called them the good guys. Daniel took the food and fed it to the lions to put them to sleep so he could escape, while the Bible says he ate it all by himself and went into a cozy insulin coma which somehow saved him from hungry lions. Trying to reverse-engineer the truth from rationalizing the almost infinite symptoms of the non-truth lies fries brains.
Property there has also been taken from Christian Palestinians, whose families were living there for eons as Christians . . . . there is a story of one in this video . . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NahTjAsDThs&t=927s . . . . there are now hardly any left there.
A thousand thank you’s! Palestine does not need Israeli Jews to push them out of their homes. It was Jesus home. It’s their home not people forced onto them saying scoot over I’m here now! God said so.
I think Jesus warning was also a prophecy about what would occur after his death. In the Book of Acts Peter and Paul both called Jesus Christ Lord and they both performed miracles and drove out demons in his name but they both spoke the name of God in vain claiming they were chosen by God to be his servants and preach the Gospel. Paul even called himself a slave to Christ. Jesus said not to call him LORD, master or father and he said the Kingdom of Heaven was for the humble that the meek and humble would inherit the Earth not those who used his name or God's name to exalt themselves. Misusing the name of God or Jesus Christ is a sign of lawlessness.
It makes sense once you discover the truth. The Protestant religion was formed in collaboration with high-level Jewish influencers in the 16th century. It's a fact that you can't deny any longer. Protestantism is a Judaized religion. It's proved in several sources.
"Influence of Judaism on the Protestant Reformation" by Heinrich Graetz, professor of history at the Jewish Theological Seminary of Breslau. 1867.
The work of Rabbi Louis Israel Newman "Jewish Influence in Christian Reform Movements" let the cat out of the bag, 1925. Amazon.
"History of the Protestant Reformation in England and Ireland" by Wm. Cobbett. 1824. In this book, written by an English Protestant who was sympathetic to the plight of Catholics after the reformation, sets the record straight on the murder stats by Protestants and Catholics. The most grievous aftermath following the plundering of monasteries, which aided the poor of England, was the deep poverty in England. LoretoPubs.org
How did they do it? I refer you to the most extraordinary hidden history book: "The Plot Against the Church" by Maurice Pinay. I posted a preview on my Essential Books page. The central elements of the Jews against the Catholic Church were secrecy and crypto-Jewry.
""Knowledge of history is the death of Protestantism." John Henry Cardinal Newman, convert to Catholicism.
P.S. Jana, I once blocked you because you claimed the "Catholics are not Christians." That is wicked lie that I hope one day you will retract.
They feed and grow their tribalism. When people identify with something they'll support it and protect it.
Unfortunately, more Christians identify with the literal figures of Scripture than they do with the values of right and wrong that the figures represent.
The Pharisees couldn't read the spirit in Scripture and neither can many Christians.
In light of your title, Jana, we all (but especially so-called Zionists who also claim Christ) would do well to consider the Bible's portrayal of what we might call an inverted spiritual topography, or as some colloquially put it, how in the Christian life the way up is down--i.e., exactly the opposite of how the world functions. E.g., one small sampling of a pervasive theme:
"These men who have turned the world upside down... are all acting against the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, Jesus.” (Acts 17:6b,7b)
"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!" (Isaiah 5:20)
"...you said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, and I will sit on the mount of assembly in the recesses of the north. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’ Nevertheless you will be thrust down to Sheol,
to the recesses of the pit." (Isaiah 14:13-15)
"And he [the devil] led Him [Jesus] up and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time... And he led Him to Jerusalem [earthly-historical-geographic] and had Him stand on the pinnacle of the temple and said to Him, 'If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down from here!'" (Luke 4:5,9)
Oh I know, and the show goes on and on and they blindly follow. I have a lot of these gullibles around me too, thankfully not too close...lol. They just don't have the first clue about who God is, what His character actually is, and what His ways truly are! They condone genocide of innocents in the name of 'the Bible' when they can't even decipher what it says without one of these deceivers telling them lies and twisting the Bible to no end. One more point from yesterday is that... to begin with why would Christians even worry about what someone else's religious book says, including the nohide laws? It's totally irrelevant! We don't go by other religions and their texts, we go by the Bible; the Word of God! If someone else doesn't like it, then that's okay! I am not losing any sleep over it! Lol We are not worried about pleasing anyone else, gaining their approval, making them happy, or anything like that. We don't need their 'permission' to do what God told us to do in the Bible. I recall a few years ago hearing about the global tyranny coming with that stuff and people being complicit about it! I was saying no, we are sovereign as a nation and have our own laws and so on, we are not under them or any other entity (at least so it should be), so why worry about what 'they' want or think? They were totally sleep walking into it. It's like 'who died and put you in charge of global tyranny?' No one questioned it, just blindly assumed and accepted it, took it for granted like a 'good goy,' which is scary. I know they will persecute us but the point is you need to know your rights, stand up for them, resist, and be willing to perish for the Lord if need be. So many are clueless about even that stuff. To top it off, I am a sovereign person under no one but the Lord, so good luck trying to get me to comply. I didn't in 2020, and I won't in 2030 either! I am looking forward to the rest of that Richardson series too, that will be exciting.
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Well most of them do not even believe there is a genocide. My former church, and still my spouses current church, believes what the Israel government states about that. Even a current member gave my spouse a magazine article denying it, to give to me.
Oh, I was the first comment. Na-na-na na na na! ; D Just being silly. Lol
With Christians like these who needs enemies? Thank you for standing on the wall and sounding the alarm. Jesus bless and keep you.
Thank you, Jana.
See Insight to incite, JD Hall on Substack
https://insighttoincite.substack.com/p/how-dispensationalism-was-born-out
("How Dispensationalist was born out of the Restortionalist Cult Movement")
Christians should read this.
God Bless you Jana - and Steven - always..
Lindsay
Amen, this is exactly the type of individuals to whom Christ was referring in Matthew 7:21-23. Head knowledge, no heart change. "Having a form of godliness but denying its power".
The mental gymnastics American "Christian" Zionists are engaging in is so absurd and incoherent. I've started to conclude this is some kind of occult spell.
Please continue to share the Truth.
My daughter and my sister agree with me in many things, but they have the idea that I need to stop saying things about Israel. My daughter believes that I should repent of my "feelings." They say we worship the same god. Not true. I'm working on a mini-paper showing who these Babylonian pharisaical descendants worship. The Big Thing is that they have rejected the SON.
Sure, make you a citizen so you can be taxed and take more of your money!
I guess it's rhetorical, but the obvious answer to "Why Are American Zionist Christians Lined Up to Claim Land Stripped from Palestinian Children?" is simply: "Because we're The Real Jews,™ and it was promised to US, not to those evil White European Khazar imposters, 3,000 years ago, goys!"
So can Russian Christians take citizenship there too? How about African Christians?
Christians should definitely accept land from Jews who genocided the previous owners.
Promised to Who?? Read your bible. the promise of the land was conditional!
Which is the very excuse American Zionist Christians are using to claim it today.
Yes, that is why Jacob received in the first place is it not? He received it because he earned it not just because Esau forfeited this but also because Jacob had to earn it through redemption. The bible tells us again and again that any of this can change if you continue to do evil regardless of any promise to someone from your lineal heritage, period. It is not that you get to claim this heritage and do all kinds of evil systematically starving and killing women, children and the elderly, robbing and stealing, desecrating and destroying property and ancient relics, bulldozing over people and their family legacy and expecting to receive the blessings promised ages ago to a generation who might have reconciled and earned this heritage. The ongoing atrocity is so devastating to so many, and now they are damaging us all spiritually and psychologically who are everyday witnessing all of this and feeling helpless to do anything about it. This is in so many ways causing lasting damage to us all that can only be reconciled by repentance and redemption. What makes them so arrogant that they do not see? Why do they not learn the lesson of the first born? This alone denies them what they claim is owed to them through Jacob that they themselves did not earn but feel is owed to them.
https://pavelivanchuk.substack.com/p/the-curse-and-blessing-of-the-firstborn
https://www.godsfaithbook.com/the-transformation-of-jacob-from-deceiver-to-israel/
How is wrestling with a fallen angel "earning" it? Gaining something through physical violence is not redemption. Jacob "earned" everything through coercion, violence and theft. His name being changed to Israel was the fallen angel rewarding him. His reward became a curse though since it was used to incite vengeance.
I do not claim to be an expert on that matter, but you are incorrectly summarizing his whole journey toward redemption to one incident when he was already heading toward this path by being obedient. You are falsely saying Jacob wrestled with a fallen angel when the passage speaks quite the opposite, where and in what version does that passage say anything about him wrestling with a fallen angel? In both Genesis 28 and Genesis 32, it is very clear he was walking on a path to redemption where first he is blessed by his father Isaac, and he obeys his mother and father. At which point, he takes the journey, and sees the ladder in a dream along the way with angels ascending and descending from it, not fallen angels.
The beginning of the passage in Genesis 32 also shows quite clearly he was in the presence of God.
Genesis 32 New King James Version
Esau Comes to Meet Jacob
1. So Jacob went on his way, and the angels of God met him. 2 When Jacob saw them, he said, “This is God’s camp.” And he called the name of that place [a]Mahanaim.
24 Then Jacob was left alone; and a Man wrestled with him until the [g]breaking of day. 25 Now when He saw that He did not prevail against him, He [h]touched the socket of his hip; and the socket of Jacob’s hip was out of joint as He wrestled with him. 26 And He said, “Let Me go, for the day breaks.”
But he said, “I will not let You go unless You bless me!”
27 So He said to him, “What is your name?”
He said, “Jacob.”
28 And He said, “Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but [i]Israel; for you have struggled with God and with men, and have prevailed.”
29 Then Jacob asked, saying, “Tell me Your name, I pray.”
And He said, “Why is it that you ask about My name?” And He blessed him there.
30 So Jacob called the name of the place [j]Peniel: “For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.”
Genesis 32 King James Version
1. And Jacob went on his way, and the angels of God met him.
2 And when Jacob saw them, he said, This is God's host: and he called the name of that place Mahanaim.
24 And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.
25 And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him.
26 And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.
27 And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.
28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
29 And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.
30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
I was also referencing the biblical curse of the first born as being at the heart of what we are dealing with concerning the nation state of Israel who believes on the whole that they are entitled to this inheritance that was only earned by obedience, and thereafter this is something that must be earned in the present through repentance and redemption. With Jesus, we receive the spirit guide, but it is the same kind of redemption as if one is a first born who has been given over to God that is why Christians are by many considered to be spiritual Israel. I was not referring at all to how Jacob finally arrived at redemption, only that he was in fact a changed man and thus received a new name and a new life.
It is called redemption for a reason. You cannot blame the person who became Israel for what the nation state of Israel is now doing. They do not understand and maybe it is because they are supposed to suffer by seeing spiritual Israel receive what they believe they are entitled to but did not earn and had to take it by force. That was my point, that they have not learned the curse of the first born. They refer to it by bringing up Amalek and Cain, etc. but they fail to understand that Jesus was the first born of all creation like Adam but instead of death he brings life.
"With the advent of Jesus, this paradox of the firstborn deepens and transforms. The New Testament describes Christ as the “firstborn of all creation” (Colossians 1:15), the “firstborn from the dead” (Revelation 1:5), and the “firstborn among many brethren” (Romans 8:29). Here, the title of firstborn is not merely chronological—it is ontological. Christ takes on the weight of being first, not in pride, but through humility and sacrificial obedience" (https://pavelivanchuk.substack.com/p/the-curse-and-blessing-of-the-firstborn),
Jacob was not a changed man. That's Jewish propaganda. Wrestling with someone whether its a man or an angel and then bullying them refusing to let go unless they give you a blessing is not evidence of a righteous person. It's evidence of someone who bullies people into getting what they want. Christian nationalists and Zionists have adopted the same theology of bullying people to get what they want and calling it redemption. What it really is is an entitlement complex. Obedience to other people doesn't make you righteous either. None of that has anything to do with what Jesus called doing the will of the father and he wasn't talking about your biological father or priests or rabbis who call themselves father. Those who don't love their neighbors are not doing the will of the father. Not everything in the Bible means what you think it means. The Bible may call an angel an angel of God but its not telling you which God. The Gods the Hebrews believed in are not the unseen God that Jesus says is his father. Jacob claimed he saw God face to face so it obviously can't be the unseen God that Jesus says is his father. Jacob likely saw a beast like a lion or dragon and believed it was God. Whoever claims they've seen God in the flesh has been deceived or is lying because God has no flesh. To seek God in the flesh is a rejection of God in the spirit.
Re: "it is very clear he was walking on a path to redemption where first he is blessed by his father Isaac, and he obeys his mother and father." oh shit - you weren't kidding after all. The only reason Jacob the Deceiver was blessed by Isaac was that he pretended to be Esau.
I hope you were being ironically sarcastic about Jacob "earning" the kingship by way of anything but deceit to defraud Esau and their blind old father, Isaac.
I do realize that he was a deceiver and continued to deceive, but as he made his journey, did he not come back a changed man? Did he not understand what had just occurred? It is a perplexing story and one where I understand it is difficult to have any sympathy for him, but I try to look at this as someone who felt much like Cain did that he could not live up to his brother that men may be driven to do things and sometimes when they are given over to God that person can seek and find redemption. It is a lesson we receive throughout scripture in different ways, and the point I was making is not about the heritage or his poor character but his redemption that he finally came to understand it, and was by the end a changed person.
If we are talking about the nation of Israel being the first born and needing to learn this lesson, it is to me a path to redemption that would help us all if they were to see and understand this. That is what I was trying to say. We are in a very dangerous time, and we must find a path forward that does not involve destroying all the people of Palestine in order for Israel to receive its inheritance. If we continue on this path, we may end up with a first born more like Cain than merely a deceiver like Jacob. I would like to see the people of Israel coming to know Jesus because the development of the Noahide Laws intends for bloodshed. I do not see the point of your attack. Especially given the fact that another person alleged in reply to me that he was wrestling with a fallen angel when it was very clear that we could look at this from a number of different angles, yes he deceived, but he obeyed his parents, he was trying to find a path to redemption. If we could look a bit deeper, we might see that his parents knew it was not Esau and wanted to help him on his path to redemption.
It is a story that I feel is not unlike the Prodigal son. He was someone the father hoped that he would learn a lesson and come back to him a better person for it. That is all I was saying within the context of Israel the nation who many of us would like to see them to know and love Jesus that is all.
Everything in their Bible is SIMPLY literally and specifically backwards - and is meant to be read that way by jews, and read as-is by goyim who steal copies.
Cain was the good guy, which is why they called him the bad guy. Jacob and Judah were bad guys, which is why they called them the good guys. Daniel took the food and fed it to the lions to put them to sleep so he could escape, while the Bible says he ate it all by himself and went into a cozy insulin coma which somehow saved him from hungry lions. Trying to reverse-engineer the truth from rationalizing the almost infinite symptoms of the non-truth lies fries brains.
Property there has also been taken from Christian Palestinians, whose families were living there for eons as Christians . . . . there is a story of one in this video . . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NahTjAsDThs&t=927s . . . . there are now hardly any left there.
A thousand thank you’s! Palestine does not need Israeli Jews to push them out of their homes. It was Jesus home. It’s their home not people forced onto them saying scoot over I’m here now! God said so.
I think Jesus warning was also a prophecy about what would occur after his death. In the Book of Acts Peter and Paul both called Jesus Christ Lord and they both performed miracles and drove out demons in his name but they both spoke the name of God in vain claiming they were chosen by God to be his servants and preach the Gospel. Paul even called himself a slave to Christ. Jesus said not to call him LORD, master or father and he said the Kingdom of Heaven was for the humble that the meek and humble would inherit the Earth not those who used his name or God's name to exalt themselves. Misusing the name of God or Jesus Christ is a sign of lawlessness.
It makes sense once you discover the truth. The Protestant religion was formed in collaboration with high-level Jewish influencers in the 16th century. It's a fact that you can't deny any longer. Protestantism is a Judaized religion. It's proved in several sources.
"Influence of Judaism on the Protestant Reformation" by Heinrich Graetz, professor of history at the Jewish Theological Seminary of Breslau. 1867.
The work of Rabbi Louis Israel Newman "Jewish Influence in Christian Reform Movements" let the cat out of the bag, 1925. Amazon.
"History of the Protestant Reformation in England and Ireland" by Wm. Cobbett. 1824. In this book, written by an English Protestant who was sympathetic to the plight of Catholics after the reformation, sets the record straight on the murder stats by Protestants and Catholics. The most grievous aftermath following the plundering of monasteries, which aided the poor of England, was the deep poverty in England. LoretoPubs.org
How did they do it? I refer you to the most extraordinary hidden history book: "The Plot Against the Church" by Maurice Pinay. I posted a preview on my Essential Books page. The central elements of the Jews against the Catholic Church were secrecy and crypto-Jewry.
""Knowledge of history is the death of Protestantism." John Henry Cardinal Newman, convert to Catholicism.
P.S. Jana, I once blocked you because you claimed the "Catholics are not Christians." That is wicked lie that I hope one day you will retract.
Those Christian Zionist leaders are probably Freemasons maybe even Jesuit Knights of Malta who have real estate deals with Jared Kushner.
What was the proposed symbolic Paris citizenship for Palestinians?
They feed and grow their tribalism. When people identify with something they'll support it and protect it.
Unfortunately, more Christians identify with the literal figures of Scripture than they do with the values of right and wrong that the figures represent.
The Pharisees couldn't read the spirit in Scripture and neither can many Christians.
In light of your title, Jana, we all (but especially so-called Zionists who also claim Christ) would do well to consider the Bible's portrayal of what we might call an inverted spiritual topography, or as some colloquially put it, how in the Christian life the way up is down--i.e., exactly the opposite of how the world functions. E.g., one small sampling of a pervasive theme:
"These men who have turned the world upside down... are all acting against the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, Jesus.” (Acts 17:6b,7b)
"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!" (Isaiah 5:20)
"...you said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, and I will sit on the mount of assembly in the recesses of the north. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’ Nevertheless you will be thrust down to Sheol,
to the recesses of the pit." (Isaiah 14:13-15)
"And he [the devil] led Him [Jesus] up and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time... And he led Him to Jerusalem [earthly-historical-geographic] and had Him stand on the pinnacle of the temple and said to Him, 'If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down from here!'" (Luke 4:5,9)
So, how do I get me some of that land?